Comments by Jonathan C. Chance are in RED
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Concerning Halloween - Carefree Children's Holiday or Demonic Day of Darkness
From: "amy brazeau"
Dear Mr. Chance:
I just got done reading your entire page, and I must say that the shallow and narrow viewpoints you have concerning the pagan religion deeply sadden me. I have been a practicing Christian all my life, and have just recently converted to a more ecclectic pagan belief. I have found that in my studies, the Christians have stolen many, if not all, of their beliefs from the olde religion. From the symbolism to the communion, all of it has a pagan background. I agree. I would also like to mention that Satanic and Wiccan do not belong in the same sentence, as they are two entirely different beliefs. Wrong! You just gave a very valid example why Satanic and Wiccan can be used in the same sentence - because they ARE both belief systems. Just as a Christian is not necessarily a baptist, a pagan is not necessarily a wiccan nor is he/she a satanist. Which is why I use the word OR repeatedly throughout the Halloween pages. I also suggest that you notice the word MAY, which can always be read MAY NOT. Wiccans, for the record, do not sacrifice blood and babies, nor do they do magic for mal-intent. We believe in the 3fold law... which consists of 3 times bad 3 times good. As a christian you may have heard of this law as well. It's called do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That, the last time I checked, was a basic command ment. The thing that made me turn away from the church is the christians like you who turn things into half-truths and blatent lies. christians like me? I did not write this to defend my religion, nor did I write this to blaspheme yours either. Each person has the right to his or her own belief Do you believe that each person has the right to NOT have a religious belief system?. I would only ask that you research your sources before you put out any information concerning my bretheren. I would only ask that you research any background information you can find on the author of any website you plan on emailing your opinions. We pagans do not slam you, it is not fair for you to slam us. On the contrary, plenty of pagans, satanists, and xtians slam me on a regular basis.
In Deepest Sincerity,
From: "mary kathryn"
My name is Kathy and I take offence to your using lies and the truth in the same sentence to instill fear and hatred in people. A lot of your information is VERY misleading and seems to be used only for the fear factor that people already have against Wiccans and other people whose religion is not in the mainstream of society.I am not some teenager who is trying to get attention from mom and dad by using loud music and demonic symbols,I am a mother of three children who are attending CCD classes for the Catholic Church.I also happen to be a pagan with Christian tendencies.I have taken a lot of time to learn as much as I can not only about paganism but also Christianity.Every tenent of Christianity can be DIRECTLY traced back to an older source.....in other words it is NOT original.If you believe in the trinity of Father, Son,Holy Spirit(Ghost) then YOU are practicing PAGANISM :o) AMEN Sister Mary Kathrun (the witch!).Before you start telling people that witches are going to go get "trick or treats"to use against them you need to do some more research.I know you will not reply to this letter and thats okay with me....but people like you are why Christians are leaving the church in DROVES.Thanks for readin this letter and i hope to hear back from you. If people "like me" are the reason people are leaving "the church" in droves, I think we should all pray for more people like me!
You are paranoid, you know that, You Fucking Christian hypocrite. Go to your little close minded Church and don't try to influence any more people into your Hypocritical and Fake little Religon. By the way, you are dead wrong about all that stuff except for the symbols except an Ankh is not a Satanic symbol and a pentagram that is pointin upwards isn't either! Shows what you know, fucking stupid hypocrite! Okay
You are a complete and utter moron.
I myself worship the devil, aka, Satan, Lucifer, Son of the Morningstar; the High Lord of Deception, Father of Lies goes by many names, but he with the long name does not sanction or endorse any of the above listed rituals and/or practices. This is utter blasphemy. And you call yourself an educator?! You are piddly shit on the grand face of our Lord Satan. May you rot in Satan's anus.
Delete your page.
P.S.: Satan does endorse the following practices:
From: Kurt.A.Van Meter
Oh no, my neighbor has a pet cat! She must be a Satanist! Your list is not only mindbendingly idiotic, it is also incomplete and inaccurate. Wiccans, for just one example, do not worship Satan. I sleep in the nude every night for comfort's sake, and many people like to wear black - particularly those in mourning. I believe that paranoid imbeciles in this world are a much bigger problem that the truly rare existence of dangerous "Satan Worshippers".
From: Lord of the Realm
From: "Joel Walden"
I hope you will read all of this letter. I did read it, but I must warn others that this is a long one!
I recently stumbled upon your webpage that talked about Halloween and
witchcraft and satanism.
But first I want to start by saying that I am a practicing Witch. I know
that must make your quills go up. The instant reaction I'm sure you might
have is one where you expect me to rant and rave and tell you what I think
of you and all of Christian kind. But i would just rather SAY something to
you here in a RESPECTFUL manner.
Again, I hope you will read all of this letter. OK! I will!
For a religion that has been fairly well established for 2000 years (Christianity), and God bless you for your tenacity by the way... It has always boggled my mind why you STILL have to randomly spread fear and paranoia to maintain that yours is a worthwhile faith. Christ was/is a marvelous spiritual presence in this world, and his message is one so pure and so worthwhile that it should endure JUST FINE without having to unfairly attack anyone else to maintain it. Why does a faith that so highly values truth and morality and dealing with people in an honest way have to spread such unfounded, gross inaccuracy?Besides the error of assuming that I have anything to do with christianity, you must not be talking about the same christianity I know. Sounds like you belive that all of christianity is the same belief system taught by Unity School of Christianity. Christians have been killing people in the name of their god for a very long time.
My wife is a very loving and TRUE Christian. I am a Wiccan (Witch). We both respect each other's faith, but keep our own religious identity. I am a WITCH (not a satanist), and I will be personally going with my children (once we have them) and my wife to a local church -- a "normal" Christian church my wife and her family goes to. My kids will have full access to sunday school, the Bible, and church in a regular Christian manner. If my kids become Christians, I will be happy for them, and pray alongside them at the dinner table just like you might with yours. That would make you a hypocrite. I have plenty of friends and family that are christians. I would never disrespect their religious belief system or my own personal belief system by bowing my head in prayer to their god.
Why is it so hard for people like yourself to just let go of the fear that WITCHES and SATANISTS belong in the same hell-bound-handbasket? Why do you have to make such revolting, unfounded accusations and work so hard to spread fear and loathing and hate? Is this the work of Christ? Isn't it just POSSIBLE that Witchcraft is just what we Witches say it is -- a form of Shamanism or Earth religion, much like the beliefs of North American Indian shamanism? In return, I ask why do "people like you" always jump to conclusions?
In case you care, Witches -- TRUE witches don't really care about RECRUITING anyone, or performing cruel and disgusting rites and blood sacrifices, and worshipping Satan. Practicioners of Wicca follow a belief that God is in the Earth, in the food we eat, in all of nature. We love God's presence as being right here in our lives -- just like Christians. We believe in forgiveness, in kindness, in cherishing children and bringing them up with discipline, respect and with love and patience. We believe in respecting the old, and helping the weak and the sick and the hungry. We believe in preserving Mother Earth, because we see God in every river and forest and lake and field and ocean. We believe, like Christians, that we are stewards of the Earth, put here by the divine to care for and support one another and care for the planet we call home.
I am a WITCH, and I OPPOSE ABORTION, I believe two-parent families are best, I believe that you shouldn't steal and hurt and kill and cheat anyone or anything in creation. JUST LIKE YOU DO. I just hope you don't bomb any clinics in the name of the Goddess.
Witches don't believe in Satan, we don't believe in proselytizing, we don't believe in converting people. You can LOVE CHRIST.. fine... be Christian. I can, but I don't. THATS TERRIFFIC! But do you have to blindly and unfairly malign another religion to do it? Why the blind attack on something you have obviously little accurate knowledge about? Isn't that the very definition of BIGOTRY? Lots of bigots would say that blacks are bad because of "this" and "that" is what all Jews are like "that", and all American Indians are "THAT" way... lots of ignorant, generalized views based on what they hear about. If I judged my first encounter with Chritianity based on my earliest exposure to it, I would say you ALL are bigoted, controlling manipulators who take people's money and promise salvation for it.
But we both know that is not at all true of the REAL teachings of Christ.
I'm not really sure why I am even trying to tell you this. If you could make such a fear and hate-filled page -- I fully expect you to pass me off as yet another Lucifer-loving-infidel who wants to confuse poor good Christians. I guess I am sick of lies and misinformation and defamation being spread like it is on your page. I'm glad you are sick of lies, misinformation, and defamation. I only wish that you would investigate everything you believe to be lies, misinformation, and/or defamation. Knowledge is power. Use it.
I wonder if even an OUNCE of reason can lie within the mind of someone like yourself. I dont mean to be rude. I am sorry if I offend. But have you ever gone to a webpage on Wicca -- NOT satanism or any sick crap like that... I am talking about the Earth religion of Wicca, and seen any accusations as wild and revolting about Christianity like you have made about my faith??
Have you ever even bothered to ASK a Wiccan/Witch what he or she believes?
Have you ever looked into HOW the Romans first persecuted and unfairly maligned the EARLIEST Christians? They did their best to STAMP them out of existence. If you didn't denounce your alliegence to Christ, you were fed to the lions. If you DID denounce Christ, you were merely blinded in one eye by a dagger, and your achilles tendon in one leg was cut, and you were made into a slave -- forever marked as a "former" Christian. And you can bet that the Romans made up sick stories about the "secret rites" and practices of the Christians too -- spreading disgusting, inhuman propaganda to help scare people away from it.
All of it was unfair and was an utter perversion of the truth. We both know that. But here is a shock you may not want to face. You are doing this exact same thing to another people NOW with the content of your webpage.
I wonder if you have the courage to see any truth in any of this. I fully expect either no response, or one so thick with bigotry and ignorance that conversation is pointless. You will go on being convinced that Witches are ALL evil, laborers for that judeo-christian figure, satan.
I don't believe in converting people to my religion. But I find malignant and abhorrent defamation something that I can't just sit back and watch someone do. COULD YOU??
I guess I have a useless belief that someday I might be able to help one Christian give up their fears about this. Maybe you would even have the courage to publish this letter on your webpage for a contrasting view. Now there I probably AM dreaming...
If you care to respond with a civil and reasonable letter, feel free to do so. I am also on the ICQ network and would welcome an online chat on the topic. I would be happy to chat about it as two open minded religious people who would like to promote better understanding and harmony. Maybe you would even learn enough to see that YES, there are evil people and religions out there... but true WITCHCRAFT (i.e. WICCA) is not one of them.
ICQ#: XXXXXX You can get ICQ, a chatting and online connection program from:
It is a very cool online program that I think you would enjoy. There are a lot of chatting groups, Christian and otherwise.
Mr. Walden, I respect your opinions. I do not respect your assumptions. You made tons of assumptions about me without gaining any background information beforehand. If you had done a web search on my name, you'd probably had discovered the truth about the Halloween page. You may have still disliked it, but at least your email to me would have had the power of knowledge behind it. That, more than anything else is what this site is about. Sincerely, Jonathan C. Chance
From: Damian Ballam
greetings Mr. Chance....
Be warned! This is a long one! I was just browsing through the internet, and upon searching for entries pertaining to witchcraft, I found your so-called public service announcement about halloween. I would very much like to seriously address the issue with you, without getting into a heated and emotive argument, as I am aware that such arguments cloud one's judgement, and rarely achieve any satisfactory end.
I must object to the article you have placed on the internet (http://www.PropagandaForTheParanoid.com/halloween). I feel that it is not only my right, but my obligation as both a pagan and a human being who is sincerely searching for objective and impartial truth, to raise this issue with you.
Firstly, I must object that you have associated witchcraft with satanism. This is a funamental flaw. Paganism is nothing to do with satanism. In order to be satanic, one has to believe in satan, and since pagans do not, then we cannot be satanic. You may as well call a buddhist "satanic". I admit to having no nkwoledge whatever of satanism, so I concede that what you say may well be true, and that satanism is a great concern, as is any other extremist belief system. You do not have any right though, to imply that witchcraft and satanism are synonymous. This is an unquestionably ignorant and unprovoked attack on what is probably one of the most benign belief systems in existence.
I must ask you if you have any knowledge whatever of the beliefs and practices of modern pagans. I have a rudimentary understanding, but I know enough to realise that you are at fault, and are performing a great injustice to a little understood and wrongly persecuted religion.
Paganism is, as you will find from reading any book in any high street book store, a belief system which holds ALL life sacred. A classic pagan ethic is "if it harms none, do what you will"( i admit the wording is my own, and not as good as other versions I have heard!). We believe in the fundamental right to follow your own spiritual path, as searching for things for oneself is a much better and more reliable teacher than simply copying our knowledge from a book. We are prone to changing our practices, and often do not adhere to one specific teaching....giving your authority to one particular teaching or way of thinking is, to me at least, rather restrictive, and prevents us from savouring the true diversity of life and experience.
Witches may well have made use of the objects you describe. You have to ask yourself why. Witches were persecuted and hunted down, so they conducted their rituals in darkness. Apart from this reason, because of their respect for nature and the belief that nature is divine (a pantheist outlook, I believe), then it is favourable to conduct rituals in a place where one can be with the things one holds dear...the trees, the sky, the rivers. Under these circumstances, witches would HAVE to use lanterns, and wear cloaks to keep out the cold. Sure, a lantern may be used to frighten others away, but that's because if they were discovered, they would no doubt be accused of ungodly deeds. Witches' secrecy was probably more to do with self-protection.
As for halloween parties being in some way attracting demonic forces.... Well, I would very much like you to define "demonic forces" for me, as I don't think I fully understand what you refer to. As a rational human being (and leaving my pagan beliefs aside for a moment), I have to question how a party can evoke demons. You refer to the symbolism of trick-or-treating, lanterns, cloaks and so forth as having the power to conjour up spirits. This is surely impossible. A symbol only has power if it is understood for what it is. The events of a halloween party may be symbolic of pagan beliefs and customs, but they have become so distorted, so commercialised as to be practically unrecognisable. If children are bobbing for apples, and they only see the evnt as "bobbing for apples", then there is surely no problem.
As for witchcraft being a "problem", I urge yourself to answer this - Would you consider it a "problem" if sikhs moved into your neighbourhood? Or buddhists? Or Jews? If so, YOU have a problem, and one which could lead to much unnecessary suffering, feuding, persecution and maybe deaths. Did humankind learn nothing from the tragic events of the 2nd. world war? Are we still so closed minded, so arrogant that we cannot accept anything other than our own beliefs? Witches are no threat to you....satanists may be another story....as I said, I have NO knowledge of their beliefs or practices. Do you actuallly KNOW any witches? Do you/would you give them the chance to voice their views on life and religion before you attacked them?
For the sake of free human thought, I urge you to TRY to be more objective, to LEARN the truth about the subject matter yo attack, and maybe you will see that WE ARE NO THREAT.
Your article was short, used large type, made catchy, sweeping statements, and was deliberately intended to induce fear in those who read it. As a student of psychology, I am aware of the tricks people can use to persuade a gullible populace. I know how easily lead people can be...especially if the person doing the persuading passes themself off as some kind of authority, with access to truth. We pagans DO NOT seek converts, we come to these beliefs freely and in our own way. We do not claim to know the truth, we just look for it throughout our lives, in a way which harms nobody. Which one of us - me or you, is more dangerous to society? An open-minded searcher, or a dogmatic scare-mongerer, who hates what he doesn't understand?
I look forward to a reply from you, and hope that one day, we may come to a happy conclusion to this misunderstanding.
LISTEN UP LITTLE FUCKER,
Traci Sharp wrote:
WHOEVER THE FUCK YOU THINK YOU ARE,
Blessed Be you uneducated fool.
George Hofbauer wrote:
To the fucker who wrote the Halloween SHIT,
In response to your bull shit web page telling the so called truth of Halloween. You don't know jack shit you unholy bastard! Halloween might used to have been a day for ritual black mass gatherings but today its purely commercial and just plain fun for all ages. I've been to hundreds of Halloween parties and have not yet seen someone that fits your "witch" or "Satanist" description. The worst I've seen there is maybe a beer or two but no sacrifices or rituals. And I've seen and actually been to the houses of many perfectly normal Christian people who own more than one pet and are definitely not witches or cultists with magical familiars. I've moved seven times in my life and have not yet seen your so called evil symbols anywhere except one anarchy symbol left by a rebellious teen and most of those symbols aren't really even symbols of witchcraft! So before you go spreading your paranoiac beliefs why don't you check your facts and leave your bullshit opinions to yourself!
You are the most paranoid Schizo Fuck in the history of mankind!! The actions of the few shouldn't damn us all. If people believe in satanism that is their right. The following is my favorite sentence. It's narrow-minded people like you who drive people to become Satanists and Witches. Another thing, your warning signs on how to recognize whether or not someone does belong to these branches of the Dark Faith are the stupidest thing I've ever read. If you have any basis for these warnings please let me know what they are, otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave people alone.
From: RONNIE BARGO
I just wanted to tell you that I found your homepage discriminating,
disgusting and very offending. You are so wrong about all of those
things which you're trying to shove down people's throats. Public
Service announcement? Please. Before you start trashing other
people's holidays, do some studying first. There is nothing, and never
has been anything demonic or evil about Halloween. It's also called
Samhain, which is the Pagan New Year. It's a celebration of nature,
of life over death. Get it straight and stop putting down people
you know nothing about. True Witches never do harm to anyone, in fact,
it's our duty to help people. We don't worship an evil deity,
(that would be known on your terms as 'satan') We don't even
believe he exists. The reason we live in a world of hatred and fear
is because of people like you Like who?. Open your heart and mind to all people, and try to learn new knowledge for crying out loud. Don't
spread vicious rumors.
Ignorance truely is bliss
From: Sara Shoemaker
Look! I am wiccan and yes it may be a pagan religon but it is in no way bad. todays wiccan does not practice "black magic" because anything we do comes back to us good or bad the times worse. we do not go looking for children on halloween. and i know plenty of people who enjoy being naked that are not wiccan. And please, more than one pet. lots of people own more than one pet. and lots of people call their pets differant names. And i in no way conjure up demons. so why dont you just shut up and stop being so paranoid Who is being paranoid?. We do our thing, you do yours. And if you do see symbols everywhere its from teenagers because a real cult wouldnt leave their mark eveywhere because that is the quickest way to get caught. Grow up. workin' on it!
Are you aware that the main tenet of Witchcraft , the Wiccan Rede, is: "An' it harm none, do what thou wilt" ? Hmmmm, I think I've heard that before What this means is.... Do what you will, but don't do anything that will harm another. Does this sound like an evil religion? No. Does "Love thy neighbor" prove that christianity is a "nice" religion Please learn a little about Wicca before placing it with Satanism. They are very different religions.
Thomas answered and said, "What can we say in the face of these things? What shall we say to people who are blind? What instruction shall we give to these miserable mortals? They say, 'We have come to do good, not to curse,' but add, 'If we had not been born in the flesh, we would not have known about sin.'"
From: Troy Stewart
You are a very funny man some people get my sense of humor! I must say you illustrate I can't draw exactly what's wrong with the world,... Bigotry, and ignorance! the cornerstones of all the bloodiest wars in history!
From: Troy Stewart
I just sent you hate mail!!! I can't believe I did that! I just set myself
up for you! oh well, have fun, You just get your rocks off at other peoples
expense, then play the ego thing by being critical of their responce! I
guess I can understand that, I think.
In a way I think it's funny! (Funny is that I walked right in to it!) But I
must say i'm grateful, you taught me not to be so quick to judge, something
I do rather well. so....Thank you!
From: John Hocknell
All I have to say is:
Remember one of the Ten Commandments,"THOU SHALT NOT LIE." Guess what?
From: PAUL RUDD
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SUCH GARBAGE.
THERE MAY BE A LOT OF SICK BASTURDS
OUT THERE, BUT,JUST BECAUSE I HAVE
A "HALLOWEEN PARTY" MY KIDS ARE NOT
A PART OF NOR RECEPTIVE TO THEM.
A CLOSED MIND IS ALSO VERY DANGEROUS,
WAKE UP, TELL THE DEVIL TO FUCK OFF,
AND HAVE SOME HARMLESS FUN.
P.S. THIS IS NOT SALEM,MASS.
From: David H. Holtzman and company
~~Compilation of Helpful Criticisms~~
ok now guy, this has gone way past extremist! What the hell are you? Human
Some sort of lunatic? Nope All the examples that you gave about how somebody could be a witch or a satanist can apply to any person who has a free mind Free minds are pretty rare these days. I know several people who meet all the criteria that you gave, and guess what? They're not satanists!!!! Jesus christ man, oh wait did I offend you by using the lords name in vain? Not in the least So sorry, my bad. You really need to get out into the "real world" someday. You know, I'd say about 99% of the people that I know (and I know alot of people) hate people like you. people like you people like you people like you people like you people like you people like you people like you
From: Marty Adkins
Reading your website, i didn't know whether to laugh or cry. With the greatest respect, you have certainly been given some amazing misinformation.
First off, please don't lump Witches with Satanists. We Witches (Pagans. Wiccans) don't even believe in Satan, much less worship him. We find Satanists as sick and creepy as you do, and we follow a PEACEFUL, POSITIVE, HIGHLY ETHICAL nature religion. I know you believe all religions but your own are somehow tools of Satan, but it is simply incorrect to say that we are Satanic cultists in the sense you mean.
Witches (Pagans) don't celebrate Black Masses or any other kind of Mass. We are not enemies of Christianity, and feel no desire to parody or distort its ceremonies. Our own are beautiful and ancient, and we love them as you love yours.
The vast majority of us stay away from channeling. Most of it is a racket, and we're as aware as you are that the real thing is dangerous. As for shapeshifting...gee, if we could do stuff like that, we'd all go on the stage and get rich.
Using Trick or Treat to get things to use in evil spells/ I dunno about the Satanists, but we Witches have VERY strong rules against casting any spell that would harm someone or take away his free will. That prohibition is so strict that most of us won't even send someone healihg energy (the main use of magick) without his permission.
Black candles don't symbolize evil to us, though they do to Satanists. We use black for the kind of *legitimate* binding/ending magick used to stop or destroy a cancer , or to get a destructive love out of our own psyches (our own--the spell does nothing to the other person.)
"Hideous sacrifices"?? C'mon now....I'm a senior priestess, I know thousands of Pagans, and I have never seen or known of the sacrifice of anything livelier than a plate of cakes and some cider. Even most Satanists don't mess with blood sacrifice, and no Witch will have anything to do with it....ever. We find the idea repulsive. A large percentage of us, in fact, are serious enough about that kind of thing to be vegetarians.
And sleeping in the nude as a sign of occult interest? I think deep down you must realize how paranoid that one is. I sleep in the buff due to hot flashes. A High Priest friend of mine wears heavy flannel nightshirts even in summer. People sleep how they're comfortable....period.
As for pets being a sign of occult interest, that myth has led to a lot of killings of animals. Yes, familiars exist. No, they are not what you describe; they're just pets with whom one has good psychic rapport. And in the hate attacks against Pagans by some self-styled Christians, they are often the first attacked. Do you really want to play a part, even non-deliberately, in some loony doing that?
Look, we're not your enemies. Most of us believe Jesus is divine, and love Him as a face of the One Creator. I know you believe that's enough, and I recognize your right to that belief. But you have no moral right to commit slander.
2000 years ago it was YOU worshipping in secret an accused of every
vileness by the respectably religious. Have you forgotten so soon?
From: Rev. David John Bissett
To: R. Horsley
To: R. Horsley I hope that I have helped you to understand a little more about me and the Halloween web site. I sincerely appreciate your opinion and comments. It is always a pleasure getting mail from someone who doesn't say that I'm going to hell or that they are going to put a curse on me. It's even more of a pleasure when that mail is from someone as intelligent as yourself.
I hope that I have helped you to understand a little more about me and the Halloween web site. I sincerely appreciate your opinion and comments. It is always a pleasure getting mail from someone who doesn't say that I'm going to hell or that they are going to put a curse on me. It's even more of a pleasure when that mail is from someone as intelligent as yourself.
From: mephisto (aka diablo)
From: Steve Hill
From: "Hanson, Tamara RHD"
I couldn't help it but I had to E-mail you and help you to get your stories straight. First of all, I really think you need to go back to school and take some courses on history. If you must know, paganism was established 50,000 years before christianity was. Women were not the second class citizen that they are treated as now, but they were considered wise women I have always believed that women were the greater sex. Paganism celebrates life, renewal, birth, the earth and everything that SHE has to offer. Witchcraft and satanism are two different things. First of all, there is NO such thing as satanism really? I bet all the satanist who write me will be surprised to learn that they don't exist!or the devil SHHHH! If the christians find out there isn't a devil just think of all the sins they'll commit!. It is just a myth developed by christianity to scare christians or people in general to be good and behave. I am assuming that you are christian You assume too much. I believe that if you believe in god and you believe in the devil, you are actually worshipping TWO gods! If you believe in something, then it will become real, in your world.
I was raised a catholic. For 20 years I believed. However, I read, I learnt, I went to school and I realized that what I was being taught as a catholic was not what I wanted to practice. Catholicism is smothering and restricting. I decided that I didn't want to believe in the devil and I don't believe in sin. We are all human, and if we make mistakes the only ones who are going to pay for them are ourselves.
One more point. Isn't it funny that the people in the media, who are murdering or who are evil are those who profess, teach, or practice christianity. Examples: Waco (David Koresh), most recently Heavens Gate scandel, and about 15 years ago Jonesville.
You never hear of Witchcraft being the culprit.
Jonathon, I'm sure you are a good person. However, open your mind.
Learn, grow, teach, experience. If you don't know what it's about, don't condemn it. Didn't Jesus say, "If your slate is clean, then you can throw stones. If your slate is not, then leave them alone."
Where do you get off man. I mean pagans are not Satanic. They do not use evil forces to kill or hurt people. Black magick does that but not Wicca in General. The Ankh by the way is not a wiccan or satanic symbol it is an egyptian symbol which they used for there ceremonies to worship the gods. I would really like to know where you got your information.
I made it up - well some of it anyway.
P.O. Box 193
South Milwauke, WI 53172-0192
From: Brian Cash
Brian Cash Any relation to Johnny? (see my comment below)
After coming across your Halloween web pages, and reading the so called "facts" that you have posted thereon, I felt compelled to write to you,
as I am disgusted by what I have seen. Good
Let me explain. You see I am a Wiccan, and I practice Witchcraft, also
know as the Craft of the Wise, so I feel that I know perhaps just a
little bit more on the subject than most, and can say without a doubt
that the "facts", and I use the term loosly, that you have on your
website are so utterly false Really?, and so completly unbased in reality, that you are not, as your final page claims, providing a "public service", you sir are providing a "public diservice" by purpetuating the myth that Wiccans are evil, worship Satan, and preform all manner of demonic rituals.
As you might surmise, I have run into this misconception in the past.
You see people, in general, fear what they do not understand, and very
few people, yourself included, work past that fear to atleast TRY to
understand. And even fewer people actually pay attention to what they read. So, let me try to clear up a few things for you, and maybe you won't feel so insecure. First, Wicca or Witchcraft and Satanism are two TOTALY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS Did I ever say they were the same religion? Please note the repeated use of the "OR", which implies two different religions. Second, Wiccas DO NOT believe in Satan, or whatever other name you call him. Third, Wicca or Witchcraft is a nature based religion which revolves around the cycles of the seasons, using the Celtic calander, unlike the Roman calander ( used by
Christians, amoung others ), hence the holiday of Samhain, pronounced
'sow-in' ( the Irish Gaelic word for November ), your Halloween or All
Hallows Eve, is the Celtic New Year's Eve, as on the Celtic calender the
year begins on November 1st. Fourth, Wiccans, as a general rule, DO NOT
preform black magic, to understand this you must understand magic and
spell casting. There are three types of magic, white, black, and gray,
they are here defined. White magic is that which is cast only on the
spell caster and/or thier belongings. Gray magic is that which is cast
on someone other than the spell caster, ONLY at that persons request
(the caster recieves no payment of any kind for this). Black magic is
that which is cast, for good or ill, on someone other than the
spellcaster without thier request. That last one interest you ? Let me
explain a bit further why black magic, and gray magic for that matter is
so rare. You see there are a few things we Wiccans follow, one is the
Wiccan Rede, which states "an it harm none, do what thou wilt". There is
also "The Three Fold Law", which states that whatever you do, good or
evil, will return on you three fold. Here ends the lesson. Thank fuckin Gawd!
Now that I have hopefully helped you to see the truth, from the lies on
your web pages What lies? please point them out to me, I hope you can see the harm that your disinformation creates. You know, I have never really understood why people confuse and do not see the clear differences between Wicca and Satanism (however your pages misinformation sheds some light), I mean Satanism is a Christian religion, can you not see this, or do you choose to ignore it?
It is all I can hope for that this e-mail has atleast made you think,
and that the facts as I have stated to you ( and lived for the past ten
years ) will help you to understand a little bit of what Wicca is about.
By the way, have you ever met a Wiccan, or talked with one? Yes If not, I encourage you to do so, most Not all, as you can see by the amount of hate mail and death threats I get are very kind people, and they will talk to you about it (some of my best friends are Christans Some of mine are too!, and yes they know about me) At the very least I would recomend that you aquire a good book on the subject, ( i.e. one written by a Wiccan Why does a "good book" on paganism have to be written by a pagan? ) so you can get your facts stright. In fact, if you cannot find one, I will send you one. Thanks, but no thanks.
I hope you can understand where I am comming from. It is lies like the
ones on your pages, that make me keep my religion a secret, for fear of
reprisals, be it at work or elsewere. I do not have the time to explain
my religion in detail to everyone I meet ( look how long it has taken me
to give you some barebones facts ) and I would not have to if it were
not for falsehoods that are passed off as fact. Is this not the United
States of America, do I not have freedom of religion, the answer is no,
unless I keep it a secret. This is the world wide web, and like the United States of America you have freedom of religion. Just as I have the right to publish my point (even if you don't get it). I will fight, till my death, for your right to believe in anything you so desire as long as you respect my right NOT to believe the same.
Please do not take this e-mail as a personal attack, and I am sorry if
I have been a bit less than polite, but I hope you can understand that
Wicca is my religion and as I'm sure your religion , or lack thereof, is very special to you and you don't take it lightly, mine is special to me and I don't take it lightly.
I just finished wading through the manure you call "Propganda for the Paranoid", more specifically the series of pages you have created maligning Halloween, Witches, and Paganism in general. I hope this was meant to be some sort of sick joke. It wasn't meant as a "joke". But rather a lesson in ignorance, prejudice, and assumptions. If so, I don't find it amusing at all. You claim, among other things, :
I suggest that you get your facts straight before you send out notices like this.
SEND OUT? If someone sent you the URL to the Halloween web pages, I suggest you write them and ask them to stop.
Just browsed by your paranoid site on Halloween and I just can't believe it. Do you really believe all this crap you posted? No Patrick I don't. PAY ATTENTION!
From: Longmont High School
YOU MAKE IT SOUND AS IF THOUGH WE ARE ALL BAD. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU REALLY DID YOUR HOMEWORK ON WITCH CRAFT. TRUE -SO CALLED "SATANISTS" MAY BE A POTENTIOL DANGER, BUT NOT ALL WITCHES ARE "BAD WITCHES" THE ONLY TYPE OF WITCH YOU SHOULD BE ALARMED BY IS THE BLACK WITCH. i MYSELF AM A GREY WITCH, ONLY MORE LEANING TOWARDS THE WHITE WITCH. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS ALL MEANS? IT IS JUST SOME COMMON KNOWLEDGE. I HAVE COME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO DETERMAINE YOUR POSITION ON THE SUBJECT MATTER:
1. DO WITCHES WORSHP SATAN?
IF YOU HAVE ANSWERED (a) TO TWO OR MORE, THAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP PUBLISHING YOUR TRASH AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON WITCHES BEFORE GETTING IN TOO DEEP. YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE LIVES OF TRUE WITCHES THEREFORE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE TO BE AFRAID OF US. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE FAR LESS HARMFUL (and much less of a problem) THEN YOUR TYPICAL STREET GANG. THE ONLY HARM THAT COMES FROM A MAJORITY OF WITCHES, IS HARM UNTO THEMSELVES
What a pack of lies!
From: Nathan Crisp
Your web page is a collection of Christian superstition You are correct. I am the United States Air Force's 1st Wiccan Chaplain and I advertise our religious meeting in the base paper. I don't use black candles, or do black masses (what ever that is). However I am very interested in your numbers, money lost due to Witchcraft Huh, I don't recall ever saying anything regarding monies lost due to witchcraft or 3814 covens Where did I get the number 3,814 regarding the number of covens in the U.S. - Well, 3814 spells my middle name. I gave the number of satanic cults as 423 - the would be 04/23 - my birth month and date. in the U.S. I would like to challenge you to an on line debate regarding the contents of your page? An online debate sounds fun, can we discuss ignorance, judgements, and hypocrosy?
I found your page informative.
But I am a paganist. Your beliefs are twisted there is nothing wrong with sataists/witchcraft. They have there beliefs, and you have yours. You have no right to interfere with there beliefs. Are you a religous man? No Catholic? Wrong again! I'm guessing so, you are to much into one of your beliefs and need to be more open minded, it often drags the soul down.Thank you for reading this. Till next time
A PERSONAL FAVORITE OF MINE
I've read your fan hate/death/fan mail, and I must say you are full of yourself.....You definatly need to be woke up from your sad dream. I understand all your angles and beliefs. But you take it several steps to far.....you will hear from me probably every day, until I get your page off the web...which I will do....I myself will not take part in this though. Pause! Mr. Conley - er ahh MasterRame, how in the hell can YOU "get my page off the web" AND "not take part in this" at the same time?
From: Ross Fifield
After reading your information on the rituals of halloween i have discovered that what you have written is a LOAD OF BULLSHIT and BOLLOCKS. For a start one one the pentagrams you have shown is used in good magic, also the Wicca are users of good magic and the Ankh is also the symbol of life. You left off the fact that the Anarchy symbol has has nothing to do with Demonic Chaos.
As a result of this "information" I and some of my friends had a good laugh and realised that it was posted by some one who doesn't know what they're talking about. At least ya'll can laugh at the absurd
From: RICHARD WALKER
Who are you to say all those things?!!??
From: Kim Braden
i think you have been completely misinformed about wiccans and witchcraft. how can you put satanism and wicca together? It's easy, in fact - you just did it yourself! they are completely unrelated and this web page makes me laugh At least you have a sense of humor. maybe you should try learning about a subject before saying its evil
From: Kim Braden She's BACK!
why do you waste your time writing this crap? To see how many close minded individuals will jump to conclusions.
i have news for you-----a pentegram is not the sign of satan, it is a sybmbol of life Not once have I ever written that a pentagram was a sign of satan. also, your pathetic little ways of spotting a witch are so unbelievably stupid. I do not list ways of "spotting a witch" - You, my dear, had better read it all again!
From: Kim Braden She is back again! Three hate letters in three days! I think I have a serial hate monger stalking me!
hello again "friend"
From: Kim Braden AGAIN!!! This makes FOUR times in THREE days!
dont bother putting this on your page
I laugh at you because you are the biggest idiot i have ever heard of!!!! How old are you???? 32 (as of this writing) If you're old enough to be married (where i'm guessing your wife is getting paid to be married to you) you need to grow up I will NEVER "grow up" and that's just one of the things my wife loves about me. You obviously need attension. Go out and find some friends you pathetic loser I think I'm the winner. I did get you to write an extremely vulgar letter to add here . I think you need some evidence to confirm these things about witchcraft No, I don't. I would put some spells on you but I'm not wating my time. besides, you're already fucked up enough. I pitty you and your family (actually, i don't think you have a family at all, probably made up to get attention) I'll be sure and tell my wife and kids that a wicked witch said I didn't really have a family.
From: CarrieGrrl bugflwr6
excuse me sir,
i have done years and years of study related to your so called public service announcement, and i find that its nothing but prehistoric crap!
also, i think most wiccans i know are much more sensible then most big hair preachers. calm down a bit. and an ankh is just an egyptian symbol for life peace and happieness, maybe you should adopt this symbol into your life and religion instead of using fear and falsehood and force.
From: Frank Quirk
I am amazed that you lump satanists and Wiccans (who don't believe in satan) together. I know several Wiccans and have acutally attended a Hallowe'en worship of two covens. They prayed for spiritual growth, (to love more and be less wordly) they prayed for healing of sick friends.
As a non-Christian, non-Wiccan, I can't see much difference in what both religions proffess (love everybody, do the right thing) except that the Wiccans worship a loving Goddess, or a God-and Goddess combination, without satan and hell, and the Christians worship a twofold Father-Son or threefold Father-Son-Holy Spirit combination.
Personally, I am monothiestic. One God is good enough for me. :-)
Seriously, your rightminded disgust for satanism is hindered by your ignorance of Wicca. Wiccans aren't satanists, and if you say they are, all who know differently will never get to your ideas about satanists, they'll just assume you're wrong about that, too. I would be happy to discuss this with you, but please do not try to "save" me from my "evil" Wiccan friends.
From: Tony Toe_Knee
The ignorance and bigotry flowing from your Halloween page are quite offensive. Since it is obvious that you put absolutely no serious research into your page, I would suggest you check into the following:
Your facts are so distorted. Have you ever seen hippies wearing pentegrams(which represent the five elements which together make the mother goddess). You have pissed me off beyond comphrehension! You are so ignorant. You need to stop watching horror movies and stop reading Stephen King and get in touch with the reality of two VERY different and HISTORIC religions!!! Most of the stuff you said was true about Satanists, but not all(I've READ Satanic literature, and WASN'T brainwashed!!)but you were SOOOOO off base with "witches" or practitioners of wicca. The occultists you are talking about are pseudo-intellects and give these religions a bad name. You know why Satanists reverse the cross?, well they did it to the wiccan pentagram too because wiccans are peaceful and only follow the rule "and let it harm none", they believe that every spell you perform will comeback on you threefold, and they only cast good spells. Oh, maybe you should get naked once, you were born like that you know!!! I am personaly Agnostic and am just speaking out for these misunderstood and arcane religions. Since brainwashed, assimilated, blind sheep conformists(also known as Christians)might be brought to their sences and awaken their minds out of political spirituality(oxy-moron?) Anyway all I did was defend wicca(by the way they would NEVER EVER wear any red or black that's what satanists wear, oh and the ankh as I'M SUURRREE you KNOW! is an ancient egyptian symbol of life and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OCCULT!!!) and elaborate on satanism, which in the cult aspect you were correct, but as far as the church of Satan you were dead wrong. I didn't really get a chance do any Christian bashing because that would go on for pages and pages and I would rather write somebody that understood the evils of the Christian faith and it's hypocricy!
P.S. quit hiding under the bible and read a history book instead.There is not a single bible quote used in my Halloween pages.
You, like most christians (STOP! You have already shown your ignorance by assuming I am a Christian. You failed to ask me what , if any, religion I believe in. This fact alone makes the rest of your email invalid!), don't seem to understand that your constant attacks on the beliefs of others as satanic or demonic are what fuels the violence, hatred, and bigotry inherent to american society.
Churches burning, hangings, bashings, wars, and other attacks made in the name of a 2,000 year old hippie are all led by scared people like yourself and justified by your self propogating paranoia. If you consider yourself a true christian, perhaps you should study what Jesus was trying to teach...
YOUR PARANOID DESCRIPTIONS OF WITCHES AND SATANISTS COULD CONCEIVABLY INCLUDE 75% OF THE WORLD POPULATION. SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO WEAR BLACK-LIKE EVERY REVEREND AT YOUR LOCAL CHURCHES. THE POPES CARDINALS WEAR RED ALL THE TIME. THE AHNK IS THE SYMBOL THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION USES TO SIGNIFY THE ETERNAL LIFE THEIR PHAROHS OBTAINED THROUGH THEIR GOD AFTER DEATH. SOUND FAMILIAR! ALSO, THEIR RELIGION GOES BACK FURTHER THAN CHRISTIANITY AND BELIEF IN "SATAN" I COULD GO ON BUT I COULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT... BASICALLY YOU'RE FULL OF **IT! I never gave a description of witches and satanists. I gave a list of items that MAY SUGGEST involvement with witchcraft or satanism. I estimate that the items I listed could include over 83% of the population of earth.
Paranoid extremist like you are much more dangerous than a little harmless Halloween fun. I don't know whether you dressed up in Halloween costumes, carved Jack-o-lanterns and went trick-or-treating or not, but I did, and look whose is preaching hate.
Sir.....your pages have quite a few "facts" that are untrue. You really should consider doing more research before you start slandering people.
From: Bob Jankuski
To Whom it may concern:
Sir I just looked over your web page, and I couldn't believe my eyes. First how could you link Witches and satanists together??? Satan is a creation of Christianity, and Witches do not even believe in any form of a Satan. Second, the pentagram is a symbol of life, top right point, air next point fire next is water next is earth and the last upper point is spirit. Five elements that without one life as we know it could not exist. However I concede that there are rather disturbed persons who use these symbols for thier own means, however I would guess to say that you view the cross as a Christian symbol and not a symbol of white supremacy. If Halloween is so evil then you must also thing Christmas, Easter, Mayday, the equinox, and all sould day equally evil since they are all Pagan Holy Days as Halloween is. I believe that you are a victim of fear through ignorance, which is not uncommon however please before disrespecting your faith and others by false accusations and misdirected thought, look at historical fact amoung other sources. If you would have done that you would have found that Witches,Pagans, Wiccans etc will not and can not control hurt or otherwise control another person due to the law of karma. That is what ever you do hoose will return to you three times over good or bad. I would hope that in the future that you will research your topics and leave the ignorance at the door. That the ideas that you may voice in the future are based in fact instead of stereotype.
From: "William E. McCammon"
I wear black a lot. I wear black a lot because I LOOK good in black (I do too!)(have you ever heard of Johnny Cash - or do you think he's the devil too?)As a matter of fact, I do think Johnny Cash is the devil - but that's beside the point..
From: Ernest Simpson
From: mark dupuy
As a matter of fact, Jack o' lanterns were used by the druids at harvest time to ward off evil spirits and encourage a good crop. the costumes were also worn the night prior to all saints day for the porpose of repelling evil, and was supposed to frighten demons off the earth. The correlation between halloween and all saints day is still debated, but one of the most popular theories was that it was started by the catholic chuch to scare off the worlds demons, to cleanse the way for all saints day. Halloween parties, in and of themselves do NOT promote evil, but black candles, oujia boards, pentacles of salt, mirrors, and crystals can all be used to channel spirits ANY DAY OF THE YEAR, (yes, even christmas). Also, having more than one pet could mean the person in question happens to LOVE pets (I own two cats as well as other domestic animals...They're cool and I am not a satanist). What else can I say except that you are wrong on so many points that it's rediculous. If you are going to make bold assertions, do some research.
you've got to be kidding me right? Yes that whole satanist web page? thats total BS and its also discriminatory in itself. What ever happned to freedom of religion and the like. I am catholc (soon to be unitarien) Huked On Fonix Wurked For Her but i have friends who are satanists and while i don't agre with them i believe that they have the right to chose what religion they wan to be. Furthmore, i don't think this public servie announcement is affective becos people (rebels like me) would rather go against anything you say then agree with it. If you wre defending rape victims or anything like that i'd be on yr said but the fact that yr putting down this silly superstition is Ridiculous! i enjoy my pumpkins and trick or treqters that knock on my door and i trust people to Hope they they wouldn't cast evil on me. Lastly, how dare you say an ankh is a devilish sigh! it is a sign of life an death and peace in other spiritual religions. Please don't warn people about what u truel do not know about.
From: Thomas Caraker
From: "J. Cegla"
So... you are saying that if a person wears black or red and has one or more pets they are Satanic? OK. I wear black a lot when I want to look "chic" and I wear red because it looks good on me. I hav two pets, a cat and a turtle. I go out almost every night to coffeehouses so I must be out on nights with Full Moons frequently. I am, however, a very devote Christian. Explain that.
From: Kathy Bates
Before you go calling people *satanic*, please do your homework and talk to somebody who knows for real what *is* going on...which is nothing like the stuff you are putting on the net.
Unconditionally loving people is the message God gave, and I cringe when I see these kinds of things out there...it incites the ignorant to do violence to people they don't understand.
May you see the error of your ways, and take this hateful stuff off the web.
A little heavenly love and understanding will go much further than this, any day!
God bless you anyway...you know not what you do.
a concerned websurfer.
I am sorry but your page is very offensive to me. Just because a person decides to wear black and have alternate veiws, they are NOT demonic or anything of the sort. This is a sickening display of piousness that has gone too far.
Halloween parties needn't be wicked nor vile, if you have not researched the origins of Halloween, how can you judge the present day standings? Do you celebrate New Year's Eve? Are you aware that Halloween is merely a Celebration that was once New Years Eve, only more superstitious? But I know that you know all about superstition. An anarchy sign is purely political, and I know that most people involved in deep religiousness aren't neccesarily "bright" when it comes to politics.
I hope that in the future you will not assume such things from your fellow humans.
I can say, as a Pagan and a Witch, that I in no way, shape or form, find this little tirade of yours amusing or worth the time and effort that you have put into it. What exactly did you have in mind by spreading this kind of unmitigated bullshit about the religion of Witchcraft?. I can only hope that your words will fade away and that small minds like yours will be unable to provide genes for the next generation.
* I have decided to give credit to the authors of the hate mail and death threats I receive.
-Don & Brenda Bozarth wrote
WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Excuse me sir, but I think that you should seriously read some books and find out for your self what HALLOWEEN is all about.
Here's one for you... where do easter eggs come from? How about Christmas trees? um, lets see. How about pierced earrings? what else can I think of that traces back to our pagan roots before that guy died and became as a God??????
didn't God state that you shouldn't worship false idols? What about worshiping CHRIST????? you're praying to a dead guy, who you have no real proof is really an extension of God...? Be real here!
are you truely afraid of your past? READ YOUR RELIGIOUS HISTORY!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
%^&$#@@$%&^&*(&%#%^&*(*&&^%$_!!!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :(
.... some people....
Brian Jay Bidinger wrote
It is good to know your address
On your WEB PAGE, You slander the Wiccans, You slander the Pagans, You slander the Egyptians, You slander the Satanists, You slander the Demonologists, hell you even slander NUDISTS.
Well you bunch of Puritans, prepare for war. The Covens nor the Pagans, nor any other group shall put up with this EVER AGAIN. For we are OUT of the burning times. And we SHALL have justice.
Abigale Dow writes:
Perhaps you should start double checking your information before posting slander on your web site! Your innformation is based on pop culture and TV, not the truth. And the truth shall set you free!!
Concerning The Miraculous Winking Jesus:
Dear Mr. Chance,
I was given your "Winking Jesus" url by a friend. They thought it
quite funny. I found it different to say the least. I checked you out. Please NOTE! Carla checked me out before emailing me. This one little fact brings tears of joy to my eyes. You think I jest? wrong! I
found that the graphic was an animation that looped once. I also decided
to feret out your home page and then consequently checked out your other
examples of peoples gullibility.
In Jesus always,
Some have called me "a tool of satan", others call me "a tool of jesus". I'm just happy I can be a tool for some! I appreciate your Winking Jesus Hoax page. I think of it as "a tool for The Miraculous Winking Jesus".
I think that this is a pathetic site that demeans true
miracles, perhaps you should take a reality check from the
world of the lame duck, and get a life, have a nice day.
what a crock! It is!
I think that this is a horrible blasphemy. You are in big trouble with God! You will burn for this.
This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've ever seen. Not only are you totally arrogant about yourself but your ignorance will condemn you future. I REALLY do feel sorry for you wife and family.
I think this is a fraud ... You have just created a CGI script....or some such I have reported you to the Vatican....You will be sorry when the inquisition get their hands on you!!! Not to mention the eternal punishment that you face in hell...
"Fuck you crazy asshole"
"This site is annoying and bs just like Jesus.It's just a trick of the eye fool"
"You are the biggest bullshitter i have ever seen on the web have you ever considered a career in politics?"
"This is CRAP! You ought to be ashamed of yourself! You will burn in HELL!"
"What kind of an asshole are you? Why do you mock Jesus and Christians? Repent and remove this web page."